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26 March 2007 @ 08:10 am
Ow, my back is borken. What did i ever do to you back?

Oh yeah, maybe it was that spending several hours lying on the couch reading webcomics =P Including catching up on the last couple months of Adventurers *sad that it's finished* Anyone who hasn't read it yet that's into 8-bit theatre and RPG World type stuff should check it out (Yes, the art does get (somewhat) better =)

Going straight from listening to "The Vor Game" to "Memory" is kinda weird.

In the realm of non-electronic stuff i've finally gotten around to reading "The Chronicles of the Lensmen," which is one of those classic groundbreaking SF series from back in the pulp days. In fact it was apparently the first SF series written by design from the beginning. Of course being from the pulp days _everything_ about it is rather dated. The dialogue in particular is rather over the top, past the point of unbelievable and into the range of vastly amusing (if in a somewhat cringeworthy kind of way.) I've lost track of how many time i've read the phrase "I check you to nineteen decimal places" or some equivalent thereof. I can't help but imagining some of these lines being produced by Ace Rimmer :)

Anyways, grrr, stupid back *wants backrub*
Cj: cheshireporfinn on March 26th, 2007 03:19 pm (UTC)
Personally, I think it was all that chocolate cake. Your body couldn't processes all of it, so it stored it like caulk in your spinal column-- a chocolate cake caulking effect! Thanks again for the invite-- cheese, cake, and Hoodwinked; a very nice combination. The cat is almost pleasant, and the company was very good. Sorry you did in your back.
Yeah, I have a lot of older sci-fi I need to get rid of. My intention was to read some of it first, but fiction hasn't been agreeing with me, so now I'm not sure what to do. But, if you need reading material and aren't in the mood to buy it, you should let me know.
Steuardsteuard on March 26th, 2007 07:38 pm (UTC)
I just ran into a Lensmen reference in a random Heinlein book that a friend lent to me. It appears that some reasonable fraction of Heinlein's recent books have centered on jumping between fictional universes, including Heinlein's own and many others. It's an intriguing concept, but somehow I'm never very satisfied by the way he uses the idea. That may be just my increasing dissatisfaction with Heinlein in general, or it may just be that there are only so many times I want to hear how great Jubal Harshaw is, and I got all of them in the book he was actually in. Also, my interest in tracking down and reading any of the original books about Lazarus Long is declining rapidly.

But I was still curious about the Lensmen thing. Is the story any good, apart from the over the top bits and cheesy dialogue?
Kirin: jigenkirinn on March 26th, 2007 07:54 pm (UTC)
"an intriguing concept", also known as fanfic. ;)

Which is not to say I haven't read any good universe-hopping fan fiction, professional or otherwise, but man you need some *really* good writing to pull it off in a way that doesn't just end up being cheesy.
DonAithnendonaithnen on March 26th, 2007 08:02 pm (UTC)
And that is not the kind of writing skills Heinlein had, at least not at that point in his career =P (See my response to steuard)
Steuardsteuard on March 26th, 2007 08:30 pm (UTC)
You know, it is rather a lot like some fanfic, now that I think of it. Maybe that's part of what bugs me about it: I've never been all that fond of fanfic for one reason or another.

In fact, these Heinlein books seem to combine multiple bad fanfic cliches all at once. Practically every Heinlein book is an author-insertion story, where Heinlein desperately wants to be the old libertarian surrounded by nubile and willing young women. Classic bad fanfic. And now we've got these books where several of Heinlein-insertion characters get together, start telling each other how very impressive they all are, and sleep with each other's associated women.
DonAithnendonaithnen on March 26th, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC)
I believe it's a pretty common view that it was only after he became famous for "Stranger in a Strange Land" that he was able to get away with stuff like that. Hence his earlier works being more restrained and, in my opinion, much better.

Somewhat similar to other authors who get famous and then have the clout to fire their editors and write exactly what they want to write, with whatever bad grammar and other errors they don't care to correct themselves and at whatever (frequently unreasonable) length they want to write it.
Kirinkirinn on March 26th, 2007 11:22 pm (UTC)
In our local anime club we've started referring to this syndrome as "the Matsumoto brain-eater", after Leiji Matsumoto. He's done a lot of old famous stuff which, while sometimes over-the-top and a tad cheesy by modern standards (much like a lot of classic SF) is pretty solid - Captain Harlock, Galaxy Express 999, Space Battleship Yamato (aka Star Blazers), etc. Consequently, he can now do whatever he wants. While a few of his works were always related, he now seems to have taken it into his head to do massive ret-conning until *everything* he's ever written coincides in the same universe. Yeah, it doesn't work too well.

CLAMP has been up to the same thing lately, but they at least tend to admit that it's alternate-universe to the original stories - it's fan pandering, but at least it's honest fan pandering.
DonAithnendonaithnen on March 26th, 2007 08:00 pm (UTC)
My personal policy on Heinlein is to not read anything published after Stranger in a Strange Land, with the exceptions of the Moon is a Harsh Mistress and possibly Job: A Comedy of Justice.

Let's see, cheesy dated dialogue, cheesy over the top physics (i wonder if perhaps he invented the Monty Hall syndrome as well, i haven't even gotten to the last book yet and they're already tossing _planets_ around!) somewhat naive views of good and evil, and a "light" level of sexism given the era (women are generally portrayed as having different roles, but at least are generally competent within those roles rather then just being damsals in distress.)

If you can deal with all that they're pretty good light entertainment.
Kevinbellwethr on March 26th, 2007 11:38 pm (UTC)
One of my favorite lines is in the Lensmen book, describing an attractive woman: "She was a slick chick, with a classy chassis." :) It always makes me smile.