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23 August 2012 @ 12:59 pm
Blech, i mean Weight  
Forgot to post last week, so here's two weeks, under a cut

08-09: 184.7 lbs - 45.0 lbs fat - 24.4% fat - 26.7 BMI
08-10: 184.2 lbs - 44.9 lbs fat - 24.4% fat - 26.6 BMI
08-11: 183.1 lbs - 44.2 lbs fat - 24.2% fat - 26.5 BMI
08-12: 182.9 lbs - 44.2 lbs fat - 24.2% fat - 26.4 BMI
08-13: 183.6 lbs - 44.7 lbs fat - 24.4% fat - 26.5 BMI
08-14: 182.0 lbs - 43.8 lbs fat - 24.1% fat - 26.3 BMI
08-15: 183.2 lbs - 44.2 lbs fat - 24.2% fat - 26.5 BMI
08-16: 184.4 lbs - 45.1 lbs fat - 24.5% fat - 26.7 BMI
08-17: 184.0 lbs - 44.8 lbs fat - 24.4% fat - 26.6 BMI
08-18: 183.6 lbs - 44.5 lbs fat - 24.3% fat - 26.5 BMI
08-19: 185.7 lbs - 45.7 lbs fat - 24.7% fat - 26.8 BMI
08-20: 185.1 lbs - 45.4 lbs fat - 24.6% fat - 26.8 BMI
08-21: 183.4 lbs - 44.3 lbs fat - 24.2% fat - 26.5 BMI
08-22: 184.2 lbs - 44.9 lbs fat - 24.4% fat - 26.6 BMI
08-23: 182.2 lbs - 43.6 lbs fat - 24.0% fat - 26.3 BMI

As usual, the spreadsheet is here, and if anything it looks even more depressing than the straight numbers. Especially if you just look at the two week graphs.

So after deciding my weight change had come to a standstill and therefore i should exercise more, my weight change remained at a standstill. And my fat numbers are staying pretty steady too, so i can't even claim i'm replacing fat with muscle. Stupid body!

There's a slight downtick for today, which could be hopeful, but there were slight downticks on other days that didn't last, so i'll just have to wait and see.
Heather: Lucykyzmama on August 23rd, 2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry that you feel like you are at a stand still. When I was trying to lose weight, I felt the same way. I felt like I was losing weight and the fact that my clothes were getting bigger it seemd to validate that, then when I would actually weigh myself, it would show that I either stayed the same or gained.

If I just leave it alone - I do fine and I feel happier. Hang in there, you look fine, :)
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on August 24th, 2012 12:24 am (UTC)
I've been telling him for YEARS to throw that fucking scale away. Hasn't worked yet.

Because, really, the only people who need to weigh themselves every day are people with chronic heart failure to manage their diuretics and people who need to make a weight class for a sport (wrestling, judo, etc).
Heather: Mickey and Minne Walkkyzmama on August 24th, 2012 01:41 am (UTC)
I agree, I tell him that he looks fine and he still doesnt believe me
DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on August 24th, 2012 05:56 am (UTC)
But then i wouldn't have pretty charts! :(
DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on August 24th, 2012 03:48 pm (UTC)
Thanks :)
Silverhawk: springsilverhawk on August 24th, 2012 03:06 am (UTC)
You really have to throw that scale away. I've been on the weight loss thing a number of times and the advice is always the same: Don't weigh yourself more than once a week. If I were there, I'd probably steal it and hide it. You're obsessing too much. Obsessing causes stress which causes weight gain. So don't worry so much :)
DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on August 24th, 2012 05:56 am (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what would be different if i was only measuring once a week. I'd still be stressing out once a week and the numbers would be even more erratic because there wouldn't be a smoothing effect.
Kirin: kirinkirinn on August 24th, 2012 03:36 pm (UTC)
What you need is to somehow rig this so you can *only* see the long-term smoothed version, so you don't obsess over transitory up and down-ticks. Like, the scale has no display, it just feeds into a database, and the only thing you ever look at is at least week-long smoothed averages. Maybe month-long. And maybe not even bother with total weight anyway, since as others have pointed out that's not really the important fitness measure.

Granted this might be slightly complex to set up. Annnnd I may have simplified away the details to the point where you'd be just as well served by deciding whether you feel better and can exercise with less effort this month than last month. But that method doesn't have a cool database. ;)
DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on August 24th, 2012 03:48 pm (UTC)
I don't think i really need to worry about hiding the regular graph. It's the trend line that i've been paying attention to, i don't mind the daily up and downs. (Seriously guys, why do you make such a big deal out of the ups and downs? Have you looked at the numbers? The daily ups and downs are nothing!) What's depressing right now is that the trend has pretty much flat lined.
Kirin: kirinkirinn on August 24th, 2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
Heh, yeah, sorry, got carried away, you're already doing a pretty good job of looking at moving averages rather than dailies. It's just that weight isn't much of an indicator of fitness (beyond the extremes anyway). Dunno how much better body fat percentage/absolute is. Physiology is complicated.
Silverhawk: springsilverhawk on August 25th, 2012 03:01 pm (UTC)
Well, you have to work out another way of not stressing than. The very fact that you have a spreadsheet indicates to me that you are stressing.
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on August 24th, 2012 07:09 pm (UTC)
See? She agrees with me.

Erraticness isn't important. The body naturally fluctuates 1-3 pounds a day. (Shit, be thankful you're not female, so you don't have to deal with monthly 5-lb gains that disappear at the end of your period.) I'm also not sure the body fat percentage things in a home bathroom scale are all that accurate (http://www.anytimehealth.com/questions/3931-do-home-scales-accurately-measure-body-fat-percentage suggests they aren't).

Focus on a) eating a healthy diet (and enough food) and b) exercising to become physically fit. Get your blood pressure, heart rate, and other metabolic indicators to target levels. That's what's important, not some fucking number on a scale.
DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on August 24th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
But measuring once a week would be much more erratic. My body fluctuates by an average of 1 pound a day, and on most days it's less than that. (There are three or four jump up and then back down spikes whose cause i know the reasons for which are throwing off the average slightly.)

I don't know if the body fat percentage number is exactly accurate, but it's definitely not showing the kind of erraticness that article is claiming. The maximum difference i've ever seen on the fat percentage is 0.9%. and that was on one of the above days with known cause. The average difference per day, even including the above anomalies is 0.2%
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on August 24th, 2012 07:58 pm (UTC)

My point is that erraticness doesn't matter. It's also that weight doesn't matter.

But you do whatever you want.
DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on August 25th, 2012 02:24 am (UTC)
Well here's the thing. If i were to only weight myself once a week, then pretty soon i'd start forgetting to do it. And when i'm not weighing myself on a regular basis it's way too easy to think things like "I can eat a little extra today and make up for it later" or "I've been eating a little more and i still feel like the same weight, so it must be okay."

And then six to twelve months later i'm 220 lbs and my pants don't fit anymore. I've been there and done that.

If i work checking me weight into my daily schedule then i'll tend to keep doing it. And if i keep paying attention to my weight i'll stay more focused on eating healthy and exercising. And if i fail to keep up with those at least i'll notice when i start to slip long before i hit 220 lbs. (If i check every day then if i go up one day and then stay up for a whole week without going back down then i'll know i should start reexamining what i'm doing. If i measure once a week and then if i'm up at the next measurement i'll have no idea of knowing if that's because i'm up for the week, or just happen to be up for the day. I won't even be sure if i'm "really" up until two weeks have passed.)

So yeah, i'm going to stick with what seems to be working for me right now, instead of going back to what has definitely failed me in the past. Especially when half the reasons people keep telling me for why what i'm doing now is bad seem to fail at empirical tests.
Beth Leonardbeth_leonard on August 25th, 2012 05:06 am (UTC)
One thought about the flatline -- I haven't seen any new posts about the 100 pushups challenge recently. Are you still doing that? Does finishing it correlate with the flatline?

I didn't see all the earlier comments until tonight, but what works for different people is different, and I know weighing myself regularly (I have a stack of calendars by the scale I've been using for... at least 8 years) works for me, for many of the exact reasons you mentioned.

I had always been in good shape, and bought my scale when I realized that my pants really didn't fit quite right anymore. Luckily I realized this when I hit 143 and not later. (I consider ideal weight to be between 130 and 135 for me). My mom struggled with weight all my life, and I didn't want to let it get too high.

I "cheat" a little bit, and while I weigh myself nearly every morning, I don't write it down the first morning that it's over 135, figuring that it might just be a random high fluxuation, and there's no need to sully my calendar with numbers like that but if it's been over 135 for 3 days in a row, I force myself to start writing it down and I cut back a little in the dessert and eating all my dinner department. This is sort of like your trend line. I try not to be stressed by day-to-day movements and I'll treat myself every so often, with the knowledge that it does tend to go up 2 lbs every time I eat until I'm stuffed. However, it is all to easy to wake up after a bad month if I weren't weighing regularly and be 10 lbs heavier and go "Huh??!!? How is it possible to gain 10 lbs in only one month?"

If it gets over 138, I start making serious efforts to not eat too much unless I'm under lots of stress. At 141, I cut back on desserts and seconds at dinner even if I am experiencing stress (i.e. this summer.) The most I've ever let myself get non-pregnant is 143.

DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on September 15th, 2012 07:20 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, i've kind of fallen off the bandwagon for the push-ups. There was something going on at the time that distracted me, but i can't remember what it was now. I really need to start those up again. However that was well before the flatline started, so i don't think it correlates.
Heather: tonguekyzmama on August 24th, 2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
I think you look great.