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16 August 2012 @ 06:10 pm
The Dark Knight Climbs  
So there were several bits of Dark Knight Rises that i had issues with, but i think the part that really made both doctorskuld and i go WTF? was the rock climbing scene. (In fact, i believe that was the part where doctorskuld was literally shaking her first at the screen?)

So if you haven't seen the movie yet and don't want to know any more spoilers than that there is a scene involving rock climbing, stop reading now :)

So someone actually wrote up a somewhat detailed list of exactly the kind of issues that doctorskuld and i were thinking of.

The Real Problem with The Dark Knight Rises? The Climbing Scenes Make No Sense

My favorite bit: "Why do we fall? Because we make terrible, terrible decisions when attempting to read very simple climbing routes."

Actually, i didn't think about the belayer at the time, issues #2 and #4 are the ones i thought of. It sure looked to me like any experienced climber should have been out of there in about five minutes. I myself am not that experienced, but it didn't look that much more difficult than stuff i've seen others doing, and this person who seems to be an experienced climber appears to agree.

One could argue that the people in the prison may not have been experienced climbers, but seriously, what else do they have to do to spend their time on? They might not have been experienced climbers when they first got tossed in, but a couple months or years later...
受け継がれる意志: ZoroLu report timedoctorskuld on August 17th, 2012 02:16 am (UTC)
I can't quite remember the scene clearly, but I was under the impression that the anchor point for the rope was somewhere below the ledge? Because it would just be silly to have the anchor point be at the top. Then you could just...hoist somebody up.

Regardless of that detail, the fact that Bruce Wayne is incapable of traversing the wall horizontally completely baffles me. Even if he were just supposed to be hanging on with his fingertips, this is completely feasible, and probably quite a lot easier to do than the jump.

I didn't think about the belayer either (now I feel totally dumb), but man, that guy is the worst belayer ever. It's pretty annoying that Bruce Wayne, who knows quite a lot about the world, would climb that well without going, "Hey, now I'm going to give you guys a lesson in proper belaying so I don't fall fifty feet if I miss." The prison also seems pretty liberal about letting people out of their cells to gather at the bottom of this well thing. I have a hard time believing that nobody else in this time has just gone, "Hey, maybe instead of making the jump we can just climb up the sides."

In the end, I think we just need to offer to toprope with Christopher Nolan sometime.

I guess nothing else in TDKR really made sense to me either, so I suppose I shouldn't be terribly surprised.
Dieppe: Torchwooddieppe on August 17th, 2012 02:31 am (UTC)
I'm going with the theory that Bruce Wayne was just so damaged from the beating, or those years of being Batman, that he just couldn't get the whole climbing out of a well thing down. Yeah, a master wall climber could do it. Maybe they keep the people in prison on the edge of starvation, and if you're starving you might not have the energy to go around climbing walls?

I was actually more concerned with the "Where the hell was this prison anyway, and how did Bruce Wayne get back to Gotham City so quickly without money, passports, or resources?" I had to figure that he probably had something hidden up his ass (literally?) or something because he does make it back.

Much like the Doctor's Sonic Screwdriver, we don't want to spend time wondering how the Doctor is going to get through a locked door, we shouldn't wonder how Bruce Wayne got back to Gotham?
受け継がれる意志: ZoroLu report timedoctorskuld on August 17th, 2012 02:46 am (UTC)
I think the scenery after he climbs out makes it pretty clear that the prison is near Jodhpur, India. I'm under the impression that after that, Bruce Wayne hiked to the beach, braided a rope out of his own back hair, roped himself a couple of sea turtles, and surfed them back to Gotham.

I think the jarring part about the rock climbing scene is that it's so basic that I coudn't believe that I had to suspend my disbelief for that too. It seemed such a basic logic thing. At least, it is if you've been rock climbing for a long time.
Dieppe: Torchwooddieppe on August 17th, 2012 04:45 am (UTC)
Well, I know it's supposedly at Jodhpur, India, but I might have missed the "You are Here" sign. ;) Either way, India is on the other freaking side of the globe from Gotham. So yeah, your theory is just as good.

I'm not a rock climber, never have been and unless I start rock climbing on the moon, I never will be. That being said, if, say, Spiderman were in the deep pit---hey no problem. Batman, without his special belt and kit---more problem. So, at least that's what made me happily settled with it.

The bigger problem for me, was that the prison scene was several months and played in real time. >.<
DonAithnen: happydonaithnen on August 17th, 2012 05:17 am (UTC)
It's already been established in the first film that he was proficient at making his way through various third world countries with no resources even before he became Batman. However given that he's become Batman since then i wouldn't be surprised if he's got one or more secret bank accounts with "small" amounts of cash (a dozen accounts with a couple million each would have been trivial for him to establish before the whole bankruptcy thing) that he could access from anywhere in the world.

And that would also help explain how he seemed to be doing fairly well at the end of the movie :)