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12 March 2011 @ 12:21 pm
Collision of Circumstances  
The Evangelion remake has been showing up in a lot of popular AMVs and getting me to think about watching it. Then coincidentally this morning shelleycat mentioned some book based on the theory that Jesus had descendants but had gotten that point out of the way right up front and then was dealing with the consequences.

That caused me to joke that someone ought to make an anime in which christ had descendants, and they all had superpowers and spent their time fighting each other. Kind of like Dragonball Z with maybe a little Highlander thrown in. shelleycat thought this was a great idea, on the basis that they'd already mined all other kinds of mythology for ideas, perhaps it was time they got around to christianity. That resulted in me just being speechless for a second or two. I mean, i'd know she hadn't seen that much Evangelion, and she certainly hasn't played Xenogears, but still!

So i told her that okay, i had to show her at least some Evangelion, but i wasn't sure if i should show her the new series or the old series, which is more insane. She responded that more insanity is better, which normally i would agree with, but i'm not sure if that actually applies to the case of Evangelion. She said i ought to ask coraa which she should watch, but i figured i'd make it a poll and open it up to everyone. (I expect coraa's opinion will get extra weight though =)

Poll #1717040 Evangelion poll

Which Evangelion should i show to Shelleycat?

Just show her the first one, so she can get the full appreciation for the insanity.
0(0.0%)
Just show her the second one, it's got better graphics and has a new ending (which i can only presume is less insane?)
0(0.0%)
Show her the old one, then show her the new one.
3(60.0%)
Show her the new one, then show her the old one.
0(0.0%)
Show her the new one, then show her the last five or six episodes of the old one so she can see how horribly wrong it went the first time.
0(0.0%)
Don't show her anything, that way lies madness.
1(20.0%)
I have some other opinion that i will express in the comments.
1(20.0%)

Ticky box!

Yes ticky box!
4(66.7%)
No ticky box!
1(16.7%)
Both ticky box!
1(16.7%)
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Steuardsteuard on March 12th, 2011 10:07 pm (UTC)
My concern is just that the old one (at least) is rather long: if she only wants to see "at least some" Evangelion, showing her a long anime series that takes a long time to get anywhere[*] is maybe not the ideal plan. I wonder if you could put together a "good bits version" along the lines of my Mysterious Cities of Gold Essential Episodes List. Or maybe show her the first few episodes and then just point her to the old Thumbnail Theatre version. (It's entirely possible that I never finished watching the series myself, come to think of it.)

I've seen absolutely nothing of the new version, so I can't comment. It certainly couldn't end in a less satisfying way, though!

[*] Actually getting anywhere not guaranteed. Satisfaction may vary depending on use.
Pava: OsakaHurahijmpava on March 12th, 2011 10:59 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure how I never knew about the thumbnail theater link but, um, that's quite awesome :->
Steuardsteuard on March 13th, 2011 12:21 am (UTC)
Happy to share! It manages to capture (with good humor) a surprising fraction of what was good about the series, and a surprising fraction of what was wrong with it, too.
Pava: Osaka Sez!jmpava on March 12th, 2011 11:09 pm (UTC)
Note that I've only seen the first new movie. Now, I know the movies make a lot of changes to the overall story (there's a whole new pilot for crying out loud), but I don't really know if that's good or bad, having only seen the first. The first, notably, was NOT that different - it had MUCH better pacing and was HD and everything seemed to make a bit more sense - but it was notable at the time for NOT being all that different. Which, paradoxically, I think makes it unquestionably better then the original for your purposes, because you've got all the enhancements without having to worry about 'did it mess up the story'. Meanwhile, the later ones, which DO appear to change things around a lot more and are therefore more interesting to me as someone who is already quite familiar with the series might be less good an idea here because I can't really say if it gives you the same end result (although, as steuard aptly noted, whether you think the end result is GOOD or not is, um, yeah :-p ).

Anyway, my main concern with starting with the first one is it really does take a while to get going and... well, I know Cora had limited patience for it. I think if you don't sit there expecting her to love every minute of it and are willing to let her say 'ok, this is really showing its age, lets just move on' then it's probably best to start there. And that might not be an issue here, but I know that was what Cora's terms were (more or less) for my making her watch it.

I know she's glad she did, because she now understands all the references to it everywhere and, well, that probably wouldn't be the case if she just went to the new one (if it changes things as much as it seems like it might). But that also may not be too relevant for Shelley.

So, in other words, I have no idea :-P

(One thing I remembered about to post this that I should stick in is that they DO have a 'movie' version of the original. That's what Death & Rebirth is. It was kinda annoying at the time, because it's a movie version of everything we just saw, but since it was a movie it wasn't all spread out and so everything happened a lot quicker... but that might be what you're looking for here. That was basically just an extended clip show though, so I really can't say if it would make any sense to someone who wasn't already familiar - as opposed to the new movies which definitely at least stand alone on their own).
Coraacoraa on March 12th, 2011 11:12 pm (UTC)
Actually, that makes me amend my suggestion: watch the first episode instead of the episodes that it "replaces," and then switch over to the anime. That gets you through the monster-of-the-week section of the anime a lot quicker, but you don't need to worry about whether the major changes (the new eva pilot, etc.) will throw off her impression of the series.

If she likes it, you can watch the movies after.
DonAithnendonaithnen on March 12th, 2011 11:19 pm (UTC)
You mean watch Death & Rebirth and then switch to the old anime, rather than watch Evangelion 1.0 and then switch to the old anime?
Coraacoraa on March 12th, 2011 11:21 pm (UTC)
No, I mean Evangelion 1.0 and switch to the old anime, sorry. Like, Eva 1.0 > old anime > End of Eva, and if she likes it, go back and watch movies 2 and 3.

I'd just recommend the movies, except... like I said earlier, I have no idea if the changes in 2 and 3 are good or suck.
DonAithnendonaithnen on March 12th, 2011 11:28 pm (UTC)
Okay, thanks!

So is there a guide somewhere for which old episodes match up to the remake episodes?
Coraacoraa on March 12th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
(Or you can wait until I watch movies 2 and 3 and see what my opinion is then, but I don't have a timeframe for that. ;) )
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debate: anavel gatoakiko on March 13th, 2011 02:08 am (UTC)
My name is Aki, and I've never seen Evangelion, and I fully intend to keep it that way.

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DonAithnendonaithnen on March 13th, 2011 07:15 pm (UTC)
Oh come on, that's like refusing to watch Plan 9 From Outer Space!

...if Plan 9 From Outer Space was thirteen hours long. And spent at least half of those thirteen hours just being bad rather than being OMG this is so bad it's kinda good.

Okay, you may be on to something there :)
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on March 13th, 2011 07:38 pm (UTC)
I've also never seen Plan 9.

There are far too many good things I want to read/watch to waste time on bad ones.