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09 April 2010 @ 12:19 pm
A not very entertaining poll  
This is just for people who talk about Final Fantasy games a fair bit. I guess if other people want they can mentally replace the first question with "Rocky IV" and "Rocky 4" and answer just that one.

Poll #1549244 Final Fantasy names

If you were to write out the full name, which way are you more likely to do it?

Final Fantasy XIV
4(50.0%)
Final Fantasy 14
4(50.0%)

If you were to abbreviate the name, which way are you more likely to do it?

FFXIV
2(25.0%)
FF14
6(75.0%)

If you were to refer to a game just by number, how would you do so?

XIV
3(37.5%)
14
5(62.5%)

Would your answers to the above change based on which game in the series you're referring to?

Yes
3(37.5%)
No
5(62.5%)


So for everyone who chose the first option for the second question, i'd really like to know why.

I can understand the logic behind writing out the roman numerals when doing the full name. I don't agree with the conclusion, but i understand it. The title is written that way so that's the official name. The part where i disagree is that everyone knows they write it that way just because it "looks classier." When discussing the games i don't feel any need to maintain the facade of coolness by making myself go through the extra work of writing out the roman numerals. I don't think anyone will claim that "Final Fantasy VII" and "Final Fantasy 7" don't mean the same thing.

The part i really don't understand is everyone writing out FFIV, FFVIII, FFIX, FFXIII, etc. As in, i don't even understand the logic behind it in the first place.

You are abbreviating the name! You can't make any claim to retaining the dignity(?) of the original title when you're reducing the whole "Final Fantasy" part down to just "FF." So why insist on writing out the roman numerals, which are usually longer and almost always more difficult to read than the arabic equivalents? The only case where it makes some sense to do the roman numerals is FFX/FF10. It's one character instead of two, and you don't need to do any addition or subtraction in your head. Even then i'll usually stick with FF10 out of habit, just because it's so much easier to do the arabic numbers in every other case.

It's especially noticeable when doing lists of the games. "I like FF4, FF6, and FF8 but i don't like FF7 or FF9 or FF13. FF12 and FF10 are okay though" is a lot clearer than "I like FFIV, FFVI, and FFVIII but i don't like FFVII or FFIX or FFXIII. FFXII and FFX are okay though." The second one just starts turning into alphabet soup.

And i don't know about anyone else, but for me not only do the roman numerals take more work to read, they also take more work to write, irrespective of the number of characters involved. As minuscule as the effort is to come up with the roman numeral equivalent of numbers, that effort does in fact exist.
 
 
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Kirin: tonberrykirinn on April 9th, 2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
I usually use the roman numerals just because that's what the name is. I obviously don't feel *too* strongly about it, as evidenced by the fact that I'll usually slip into arabic numerals when replying to your comments since I'd rather not switch mid-stream. I'll occasionally write "We <3 Katamari" for the same reason, though admittedly not as often.

I can only think of one instance where it *really* matters, though: MMX and MM10 are totally different games! Of course, that 'X' isn't actually a roman numeral.

Also, I dunno about the whole "dignity" thing. It's just a different way of writing a number - it's aesthetic if anything. I see it the same as katakana vs. hiragana - there are conventions, but as far as what you use in a logo it's an arbitrary choice made by the producer in the end.
DonAithnendonaithnen on April 9th, 2010 08:00 pm (UTC)
But like i said, the name is not "FF." If you're going to abbreviate one part of the name then why not abbreviate the whole thing?

And what about cases where people do various leet-speak things or other graphical twists to titles for aesthetic reasons? Do those need to be reliable reproduced by people discussing whatever it is?

I don't see any reason why we ought to inconvenience ourselves to maintain the arbitrary aesthetics they choose for their title graphic, whatever the reason they had for that choice. (And in the case of roman numerals i think it always is to make it look more dignified/classier/whatever you want to call it.)
Kirin: tonberrykirinn on April 9th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
I dunno, I think if I were talking about a game called "l33t Fighter" I probably *would* usually write it with threes, and abbreviate it "lF" with the weird capitalization. It seems like abbreviations are slightly clearer when they're just the title with characters removed, rather than characters substituted. But again, I'm not trying to argue that this is remotely a big deal, and I'd happily conform to local convention over my default practice.

I guess really I just don't find it very inconvenient. I can pretty much take in roman numerals at a glance anyway, at least under 40.
DonAithnendonaithnen on April 10th, 2010 01:07 am (UTC)
"I guess really I just don't find it very inconvenient. I can pretty much take in roman numerals at a glance anyway, at least under 40."

Well you _did_ take Latin for several years, didn't you? ;)
Kirin: SurrealCathedralkirinn on April 10th, 2010 04:10 pm (UTC)
Well, yes, though I'm really not sure how much of an affect that had... it's not like we spent a lot of time doing Latin math.
Ambermaggiedacatt on April 9th, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
You do a fantastic job of summarizing why I use arabic numerals.
Madman Across the Water: Gamedevmadmanatw on April 9th, 2010 08:37 pm (UTC)
I answered as though the questions were about Ultima. I will type Ultima III, but U3.
I answered yes to the last question because for some reason I'll often type Ultima 8. (Possibly because it's the longest roman numeral in the set (the series only went to IX.)