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01 September 2009 @ 08:19 pm
After observing that there will be a full moon during DragonCon, shelleycat has decided that i need to be sure to A: get drunk, and B: go around to every cute girl i can find and give them coupons/questionnaires that say something like:

Choose one or more of the following:
1: You slap me
2: I give you a backrub
3: We make out
4: Alternate choice: I do anything you want

She seems to think i would actually have some luck with such a method. I'm rather doubtful :)
Current Mood: amusedamused
Pava: OsakaHurahijmpava on September 2nd, 2009 03:22 am (UTC)
If you are fine getting splat a couple hundred times, I imagine you WOULD have some luck with that method. You just have to be ok with it not working most of the time (on average).
Catbirdcatbird on September 2nd, 2009 03:31 am (UTC)
I can think of at least one place where that would definitely work very well.

I met a guy once who was wearing a white board on which was written "I don't know what's on here. Please give me a hug!"... he got quite a few.
Coraacoraa on September 2nd, 2009 03:47 am (UTC)
If I was given a coupon like that, I'm afraid that 4 would turn out to be "stay far away from me and all my friends, because that's kinda creepy."

I may not be representative.
balivatn: ares/kevin smithbalivatn on September 2nd, 2009 04:06 am (UTC)
I'd lean towards your choice 4 myself, especially if the presenter of said coupons was drunk.
DonAithnendonaithnen on September 2nd, 2009 04:57 am (UTC)
See, that's kinda what i think. Shelleycat seems to disagree though =P
Coraacoraa on September 2nd, 2009 04:59 am (UTC)
I think she's right that there are some women it would work on, it's just that it would deeply offend some other women, I know that for certain. (There have been fandom blowups about similar things in the past year to eighteen months, actually.) And... well, I'd also hate to see you reported to the concomm for harassment over something that was meant to be silly. :-/

(Not that it sounded like you were that serious about trying it. :) )

Edited at 2009-09-02 05:02 am (UTC)
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on September 2nd, 2009 11:43 am (UTC)
DonAithnen: Beeda: Haruhidonaithnen on September 3rd, 2009 02:40 am (UTC)
At least i insisted that getting slapped ought to be one of the stated options, shelleycat's original idea didn't even include that =P
DonAithnendonaithnen on September 3rd, 2009 02:47 am (UTC)
No, shelleycat still seems to think it's a good idea, but i can't really imagine the kind of persuasion she'd have to apply to actually get me to do it.

I think there are two factors that may be influencing her notion. First, she's, rather, um, "assertive" *cough* and has no problems with saying no to unwanted advances, so i'm not sure if she fully understands how uncomfortable it could make some people feel. And second, she's a girl (and assertive, did i mention assertive? =) so from her perspective a plan to make out with someone and/or get laid at a con with minimal harassment of anyone else is an entirely reasonable and achievable goal :)
Coraacoraa on September 3rd, 2009 08:20 pm (UTC)
I think one of the differences, too, is that I've been in a situation (at a con, actually) where I said no -- repeatedly -- and the guy didn't back off. So it's not just that I'm not confident that I can say 'no' clearly and firmly (although I am not confident of that; saying no makes me uncomfortable). It's also that I'm not confident in the assumption that 'no' will make the guy go away.

(The first time 'no' didn't work, I couldn't make the guy stop propositioning me until I told him I was fifteen and the cops might be interested in him. :-/)

All this said -- I do think that having fun, making passes at people, and maybe a little getting tipsy would be awesome for you. :D
Pavajmpava on September 2nd, 2009 05:01 am (UTC)
Well, you might recall we've had discussions about this before. People who are willing to be upfront and direct like that will, invariably, find some people who like that. But there's probably going to be even more who find them creepy. So, I think you are both right. The question is whether you are comfortable with people thinking you are creepy. I'd assume, probably not ;->
cwendy41cwendy41 on September 2nd, 2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
I agree. There will be some people who would find it amusing, but some people (like me) who would find it creepy. If I know you (which I do) and you gave me the card, I'd probably laugh at it and probably slap you to humor you. If I don't know you and am slightly uptight and you gave me the card, I might think that you're a perv. The manner/attitude in which you present people the card would also matter. Depending on how you do it, it could look desperate, arrogant or some other adjective.
pamela.mosiejczuk.netpamela.mosiejczuk.net on September 2nd, 2009 12:46 pm (UTC)
That would totally work on me during a party or something where I knew all the attendees were friends of friends and probably safe, but not in a big convention filled with strangers.
Avaniavani on September 2nd, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
DonAithnendonaithnen on September 2nd, 2009 10:35 pm (UTC)
So it's probably a "safe" thing to do in a situation when everyone there is a friend or a friend of a friend... but that's probably also when you _least_ want to look totally desperate and indiscreet =P
Iyindoiyindo on September 2nd, 2009 01:50 pm (UTC)
I think it's an awesome idea, and I think if you carried around something that clearly marked you as "Silly," then it would be offensive or harassment at all.

One thing I might do to lessen the harassment possibility, though, is change option 3. Perhaps make it an exchange of foot massages? Potentially gross, but people will be on their feet all day!
(Anonymous) on September 2nd, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
I think it would depend on whether they were meant to be returned on the spot or at one's leisure.

I hypothesize that if your sample were large enough you'd get something on the order of:

30% take it and walk away, never to return.
30% refuse it and walk away, never to return.
10% take it and immediately (in your sight) walk to the nearest trash can and dump it there.
10% take it and read it to their friends and mock you to your face in an unfriendly manner
5% use it as a friendly conversation topic with you
5% use it as a hostile conversation topic with you but are not totally unfriendly, or they wouldn't be trying to talk to you at all
3% choose choice 1 or choice 4 as suggested by Cora
2% choose choice 2 (in public)
2% pass it on it to a nearby male (possibly their boyfriend, possibly their friend, possibly a stranger) to use (with you) as desired
1% use choice 4 (something heinous and entertaining)
1% use choice 4 (buy me a drink)
0.5% use choice 3, or choice 2 in private (allowing the possibility that more develops).
0.5% call security on you
(Anonymous) on September 2nd, 2009 08:19 pm (UTC)
WTF I'm not loggerd in, this was sithjawa.
DonAithnendonaithnen on September 2nd, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
WTF you're still not logged in? ;)

So... about a 2.5% - 4.5% chance of a backrub or something else nice?

That means i'd only have to embarrass myself in front of 20 or 40 people for each success. I'm not sure if i should consider that number depressingly large or depressingly small =P
Kirin: Gankutsuou-SDcountkirinn on September 2nd, 2009 10:50 pm (UTC)
I'm sure the percentages vary by venue too. Honestly, Dragon*Con tends towards the "anything (plausibly legal) goes" end of the spectrum, so if you *were* going to try it it's probably one of the better places. Note this is not me saying it's actually a good idea. ^^;

Now I'm thinking about this too much, but I'd want to start with "Feel free to choose..." rather than "Choose...". Sounds less like you're demanding something of a stranger. (Yes, option 4 gives a number of easy outs, but that requires parsing the whole card, and anyone who's apt to be annoyed at the whole idea will never make it that far.) Also, if I were doing this (which I probably wouldn't), I'd probably stick to handing out to people who at least make friendly eye contact or something beforehand, so as to reduce the chances of waylaying someone who's otherwise busy.