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06 September 2008 @ 07:56 pm
Battlestar Galactica  
Has anyone else who watches Battlestar Galactica noticed that the series is pretty much made out of spoilers? (Or an even better question, has anyone _not_ been clobbered over the head with it already?) Not only do they have blatant spoilers in most of the episode synopsis for the DVDs, but each episode has its own specially designed spoiler reel that they play during the opening credits. WTH? I shouldn't need to avert my eyes in order to protect myself from spoilers while watching the opening of the episode or even just trying to navigate the damn DVD menus =P
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Steuardsteuard on September 7th, 2008 04:47 am (UTC)
First, a side note: Like most mentions of Galactica these days, I had Kim read your post before I read it, just in case it was made of spoilers.

Second, DVD menus being full of spoilers seem to be pretty standard. It frustrates the heck out of me, but whether it's for a TV series or a movie, the folks making the DVD can't seem to resist putting clips of the most important bits front and center. I don't think that's Galactica specific.

And finally, yeah, the built-in "spoiler reel" is quite unusual. But I've generally taken the perspective that if the creators of a show or movie choose to give something away as part of the presentation they design, that's their right (and presumably they think it contributes to the overall viewing effect they're aiming for).

Oh, and Kim's curious: we thought we were behind everyone else on Galactica-watching (since we're relying on Netflix), but it sounds like you're still catching up. How far along are you?
Geoffthegreatgonz on September 7th, 2008 05:27 am (UTC)
FWIW, I'm Netflixing it too (and am going just a little nuts waiting for S4 to come out on DVD).

I agree- there's no such thing as a spoiler that comes from viewing the episodes in full, in canonical order. I can only think of one shot from the opening montage that I ever would have preferred not to see, and even then, seeing it in the montage didn't diminish the impact of seeing it for real.

There remains, however, the vexing question of what the canonical order is in the case of Razor, which comes in the middle of Season 2 by plot order, but the beginning of Season 4 in production order. I opted for production order, and I think that's the better choice, but a case could be made either way.
DonAithnendonaithnen on September 7th, 2008 08:34 am (UTC)
Ah, thanks, that's good to know. I decided to get Razor when i picked up seasons 2.5 and 3 at DVD Planet on thursday, but wasn't sure when we should be watching it :)
Steuardsteuard on September 7th, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
The "right" order has been a vexing question for me for years, though more with novels than with TV series. I've come to the conclusion that publication order is better than "story internal order" more often than not, but that it matters more for some series than for others. (Of course, it obviously only matters your first time through.)

Reading Tolkien in "story internal order" would be a serious mistake, and to a lesser extent I feel the same way about Narnia (curse the current boxed sets!). I gave up on Darkover years ago because I went with the internal chronology; I never really even got to the Terran/Darkover culture clash stories that I think are the main reason for the series's popularity (I occasionally try to pick it up again). On the other hand, I've started reading Bujold's Vorkosigan stories lately, and story-internal order has worked just fine so far.

As for Razor, I watched it in production order as well, and I wouldn't want to swear that any other order would be as good. On the other hand, I might have felt better about some of the plot points involved if I had seen it somewhere during Season 2. (In the end, I wasn't all that thrilled by Razor, to be honest. YMMV.)
DonAithnendonaithnen on September 7th, 2008 08:32 am (UTC)
We're just about finished with season 2.0 (which is another rant waiting to happen =)
Kirin: Zaku-dangerkirinn on September 7th, 2008 12:53 pm (UTC)
Hah! I'm so far behind I haven't even started yet. I expect I'll get to it someday.

As for spoilers, while one can generally expect spoilers for anything that's already aired at a convention panel with the actors unless stated otherwise, one of my friends was somewhat disappointed to be spoiled by a panel description in the program booklet. Oof.

I think a Harry Potter panel I went to last year handled it best. They started out with only spoilers through the movies that were out, then at some point said "Ok, from here on, spoilers through the end of the books because everyone wants to talk about that" (at which point a few people in the back of the room groaned and left).
bittercrackbabybittercrackbaby on September 7th, 2008 05:08 am (UTC)
From what I recall, Ron Moore did the spoiler reel after the credits in homage to another series Space: Above & Beyond, which did the same thing. I could be compeltely wrong.

Both Ron Moore and Katee Sackhoff had to be clubbed over the head repeatedly to not give away spoilers anytime they speak with the public.
Geoffthegreatgonz on September 7th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
It was Space: 1999, not Space: Above and Beyond, but otherwise that's right.
rebellion_life on September 10th, 2008 02:28 am (UTC)
This is why you should have watched it on SCI FI.
But the central premise of the show is "this has all happened before, and it will all happen again". So there.