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05 November 2001 @ 03:57 pm
I'm not so sure now if the dried fruit was such a good idea. I've been at work for a little over half the day, and i've already finished off the whole bag of pineapple =( That's more than 800 calories of lotsa sugar =/

I'm not sure if it was really that good for me either. On a normal day i'll eat somewhere between 4 and 12 airheads, lets take a look at the nutritional information;

Pineapple Per serving (i ate all "About 6" in the bag): Calories: 140, Fat: 0, Cholesterol: 0, Sodium 100mg (4%), Potassium 224mg (1%), Carbs: 34g [Fiber: 16g, Sugars 16g,] Protein 0g, Iron 2%.

Airhead: Calories: 60, Fat: 0, Sodium: 5mg (0%), Carb: 15g [Sugar: 13g], Protein: 0g.

So be eating the pineapple, i got a lot more calories, a lot more sodium, some more fiber, and an almost insignificant amount of potassium and iron, a fraction of what i get from my multi-vitamin and the Balance Bar i had in the morning.

So i'm confused, other than "being natural," how is the pineapple any better for me? I don't need the iron and potassium (as long as i keep taking my vitamins at least,) and other than that it seems about as junky as the airheads. (More fiber, but more sodium too, seems to balance out to me)
Leora: ouroborosleora on November 5th, 2001 04:19 pm (UTC)
Well, the airheads probably contain lots of really nasty things that are bad for you. Such as processed sugar, artificial flavoring, artificial coloring.
I personally think that avoiding processed sugar whenever possible is a good idea.

That and, we're not entirely sure what a human needs to survive. But we do know that just giving people vitamins doesn't work. Food in a pill isn't enough. I don't feel secure cutting out fruits and veggies from my diet because there might be something we're missing. All the statistical evidence seems to imply that those who eat their fruits and veggies are healthier.
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 6th, 2001 10:30 am (UTC)
Heh, well if it's just a matter of survival we're talking about, i seem to have gotten at least that much figured out ;)
Leoraleora on November 6th, 2001 10:38 am (UTC)
Agreed, you're surviving. But health is a matter of degrees. And I'd rather you be doing healthier things than less healthy things.

I don't think humans have fully worked out what is healthy. But we have pretty clearly managed to figure out that processed sugar is bad for you. And we're all pretty clear on the idea that things like airheads and my smarties and fun dips and such clearly aren't good for you. There's just more to good/bad than you can find on the nutritional label.
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DonAithnendonaithnen on November 6th, 2001 10:30 am (UTC)
No, not as long as i'm wearing a shirt and sucking my stomach in =)
Kirinkirinn on November 5th, 2001 06:41 pm (UTC)
Hmmm... Now, I'm not sure how much I believe the "good food / bad food" and "artificial is probably bad" ideas. However, there are certainly some things your body needs which can't ever be gotten from a diet of vitamins and empty calories. The most obvious thing is fiber. I don't eat a lot of fruits and vegetables myself, but I do eat Raisin Bran almost every single morning (much to Conni's befuddlement), so I figure I'm covered there. I'm sure there are several other things that just can't be crammed into a vitamin which fall into this same category.

If you're really worried about the total calories, I'm sure you could find something with fiber and other good things that has fewer calories and less salt and sugar that dried pineapple... maybe granola or something? I dunno, I don't really snack a whole lot, and when I do it's often whatever junk my company has on a shelf - but I only resort to that if I'm still hungry after having something slightly better for lunch, like yogurt or a bagel sandwich or a pizza pocket or something.

Anyways, just some thoughts to throw out - figured I'd chime in now that the "DonAithnen should eat something that's not crap" thread has been going on for some months. ^_-
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 6th, 2001 10:27 am (UTC)
Re: Hmm...
Yeah, i should probably do something to get more fiber, that's something even the balance bars don't have much of.

I keep missing lunch cause i've been busy playing Civ 3 =) I also miss out on breakfast cause, i don't know, i'm just not hungry in the mornings. That's one of the reasons i got the balance bars, when i get to work and have been awake for an hour or so already i finally feel like eating, so i might as well have something relatively healthy around.
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on November 6th, 2001 07:01 am (UTC)
Read this. No, really read it.
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 6th, 2001 10:23 am (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
*grumble* Did i ever try to deny this? The article contained absolutly no new content for me.

The reason i'm eating airheads right now instead of a three musketeers or a snickers bar out of the vending machine is because i looked at the nutritional information, and airheads are far less "junky" than anything i could be getting out of the vending machine.

I'm not trying to deny that it wouldn't be healthier if i were eating carrots and celery, but there are a lot of things less healthy that i could be eating, and i do know what junk food is =P
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on November 6th, 2001 11:04 am (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
Then I will give up, since it's obvius that you don't care to change your eating habits, and there's nothing I can do.
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 6th, 2001 11:37 am (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
I do care, and I'm willing to listen to suggestions you have, after all, i tried out the dried fruit thing, though i'm still considering the final merits of it.

However a generic "food that is bad for you is Junk Food and Junk Food is bad for you" article isn't going to do much to help, and neither is just saying that i should eat healthier. I know what's unhealthy, and i know that i'm not eating the best stuff out there (but conversely, neither am i eating the worst) i'm just working on ways to fit in healthier.

So um, i'm interested in suggestions you might have on specific things i could do or eat, i don't particularly care about what third parties have to say about what's healthy and what's not.

Life Rebootedhopeforyou on November 7th, 2001 01:26 am (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
Ok, let's see if I can help you in some way that is useful. =) It sounds like your life is a bit busy, and you want advice on how to be healthier in general in a way that fits into your lifestyle. I'm currently out of work, but before I was, I sat in a cubicle and coded all day, sometimes fixing bugs late into the night. So convenience was a big factor for me, too -- I didn't want to be shredding lettuce and cutting carrots for a salad for lunch every day. There just wasn't any time. So this is what I did...

I went to the supermarket, and bought snack food I could easy eat at my desk and take home if anything was leftover or put in the company fridge. I bought bags of baby carrots, broccoli florets, trail mix, apples, oranges, peaches, and grapes. That stuff can sit by my desk all day and not go off. I'd sometimes make a little extra effort and buy a block of cheese and cut a few slices from that for a protein boost -- the other option being celery with peanut butter.

I sometimes bought some roast turkey lunchmeat and flour tortillas to make an easy meal on the fly: put turkey, sliced cheese, and 2 tortillas in microwave. Nuke and serve with salsa and sour cream for a quick and dirty quesadilla. I also carried around bottled water alot, not just because drinking a lot of water was good for me (8 16 oz H20 per day), but because the containers are bigger and water was cheaper than vending machine soda -- especially if you get bottled water in bulk at home.

I did that instead of hitting up the vending items, and I found that I had more energy throughout the day if I had a few small meals instead of 2-3 bigger ones. Also, having more protein and fewer carbs in general seemed to work if I needed to be particularly mentally alert and less relaxed/sluggish. Carbs and lots of sugar tend to initially give me a boost, but within a half-hour later I want to sleep. (I personally think that the dried pineapple was marginally better than Airheads, and a huge hunk of steak or yogurt would have had more value.) Socially, sometimes I would eat with my coworkers and not work right through the day (rare, though) and schedule one of the small meals to coincide w/ their concept of lunch.

I also did things like park farther away from the office so I could walk, and take breaks where I'd invite one good friend from work to just take a 15-20 minute walk with me. We'd chat about all kinds of silly things like movies and new music, and at the same time get some exercise in. One guy at work took kendo, and he'd do some 10 minute practice runs during the days he took class in the evening. Sometimes I joined him when he did that, and learned something new. Maybe someone else where you work has some exercise they can do in the hallway that you enjoy and can join in.

I also found that one thing that really helped me in the past was to walk anywhere I could, and avoid driving. One thing I noticed about LA in general is how much people drive, and to *everything*, even just the Safeway 3 blocks away to get groceries. Walking it instead on a regular basis is healthier, better for the air, and well, doesn't cost any gas. I walk to the supermarket and back all the time. Just walking as little as 20 minutes every day can help.

I don't really know what else to recommend. I think I've answered this more generally rather than specifically. Is there anything more specific you want advice about?
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on November 7th, 2001 01:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
Pineapple has the value of being one of the recommended "5 a day" of fruits and vegetables. Airheads do not. Shit, crackers from the vending machine would be better than fucking airheads (sugar, sugar, and something to hold them together. what do you think maltodextrin is for god's sake? maltose-dextrose. A sugar.) Try raisins. They're also fruits, and they come in small packages. (At my grocery store, you can get a large package with the little ones inside as well as the large boxes.)

Switch from diet soda to water. Yes, neither has calories, but soda has stuff your body doesn't need, like aspartame and caramel color and assorted crappage.

Aside from that, Hope had some good suggestions.
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 7th, 2001 04:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
I do go through periods where i try to get water instead of pop, although i do add a little Equal to it so that it isn't quite so bland. (Better than water out of the sink certainly, but i'm used to water from washington, where it actually tastes good =) However sometimes i feel like i need some caffine to stay awake, and then i'll get back on the diet coke kick again.

Raisins might be good, hopefully wouldn't have quite so much salt as pineapple, but i worry a little bit about the calories. I'll try to remember and take a look next time i go to costco.
Life Rebootedhopeforyou on November 7th, 2001 04:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
If you go to Wild Oats or other stores, you can actually buy caffeinated water. I find it kinda weird. Then there's Ginseng, which seems to pep people up more consistently than caffeine -- and without the jitters, too.
I take Ginseng with B complex, and it keeps me going for hours, long after coffee or coke wears off.
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 7th, 2001 04:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
That's true, but i can get plain water or diet coke for free, so i kind of want to stick with the moneyless options =)

I could do tea i suppose, that's fairly inexpensive.
Life Rebootedhopeforyou on November 7th, 2001 04:29 pm (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
Just as a quick aside about those pineapples, then I'll go away =) before the concept gets any older, and the dead horse is a fine light powder.

I think dried pineapples are probably not as good for you as fresh ones are. Dried pineapples are often treated with sulfites, which trigger allergies in many people and are not considered healthy in general by some folks. Then there is the matter that the sugar is crystalized, and more concentrated in dried pineapple than its fresh predecessor.
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 7th, 2001 04:22 pm (UTC)
Re: Read this. No, really read it.
The quesadilla idea sounds cool.

I used to go rollerblading two or three days a week for lunch. Of course i would rollerblade out to the mall and get Del Taco or Carl's Jr or In-n-out, so i'm not sure if the benefits of the exercise outweighed the junk food i go t doing it =) Allyn keeps telling me to get my rollerblades out of storage, and as soon as i figure out which box they're in, i'll probably start doing that again.