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03 December 2004 @ 11:37 am
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First of all, all DaP members go back and read the previous post and/or email Matt.

The first thing that showed up in my mailbox after Matt fixed the mail server was the message from him. The second thing (and the reason why i had been bugging Matt about the mail server in the first place) was the response from Laserfiche. They're offering me a job :)

Now i'm going to pretend for a moment that i'm not sure if i want to accept the offer (ha!) and consider the pros and cons.

The easiest part to quanitize is the salary. They asked on the form i filled out what my "expected salary" was. I put 60k, and that's what they offered. I just put down what i'd been making at PoV. I know you're supposed to make more money every time you switch jobs, but i was too nervous to ask for more. I have no idea what salary expectations are in this branch of the industry, and i know they've been hiring a lot of recent grads, so i didn't want to price myself out of the competition. Presuming things work out it would be nice if i could find out what the other software engineers make so i could ask for an appropriate raise in a years time, but i don't know a tactful way to find that out.

I'll be working on business software rather than games. Before i could tell myself that i was actually doing something important and contributing to society, but i don't think that will really be true anymore. One could say that i would be helping businesses perform better, but pretty much all the company does is help them organize documents and deal with the reams of government regulations relating to dealng with such documents. It's really kind of hard to see the marginal value to society in that.

The hours are nice though, 40 hours a week most of the time, occasional overtime when a product is about to ship, but you get _paid_ for it :) I hate being on the clock, but the getting to go home at a reasonable time will be nice.

It's in Long Beach, which means the length of the commute will be about the same as it was for PoV,but it involves more freeways and the traffic mayl be worse. I left for the interview at 8:20 and got there about 9:20. I'm not sure yet what hours they'd want me to do so i don't know if that would be the time of my regular commute or what. The drive home might be even more foreboding though.

It's got a somewhat classier dress code than i'm used to. It wasn't everybody in suits, but certainly dockers and a button up shirt would be good, especially for the first bit until i get a better gauge on things.

There are lots of Mudders there, although mostly from more recent years. I know a few of them through my sister, such as the person who gave them my resume, but there are a lot more who i've never seen or just vaguely recognize.

There are a _lot_ of cute girls there, cute tech girls even. At least compared to the zero that i'm used to. Even if dating coworkers wasn't a bad idea they're probably all involved and/or way too young for me, but it would be nice just to be around them and know that they exist.

Oh, and the minor perks, 401k, health vision and dental after three months, and they provide lunch every day. Usually pretty mediocre stuff i was told (it was Subway yesterday during my interview,) but still, free food is free food :)

I think that's all the main points.

So yeah, i'm going to say yes, but i'd like to find a way to convince myself that other than just for the sake of being employed the benefits of working there outweigh the fact that i'd be working on something boring unimportant and meaningless.
Current Mood: happy and stressed
Dieppe: Moons of Dunedieppe on December 3rd, 2004 11:44 am (UTC)
Lunch every day AND in Long Beach! OOo! :)

Congrats! :)

Jacqueline Russell-Terrier: pineappletikva on December 3rd, 2004 12:01 pm (UTC)
Mazel tov!

Business software helps all kinds of businesses, including non-profits. Cool, cause-related non-profits apply for federal grants all the damn time, and if this software helps them navigate the paper work, more power to it. That paperwork is a bitch.

-Raycho, survivor of several non-profits, and formerly funded by a number of federal grants
Catbirdcatbird on December 3rd, 2004 01:27 pm (UTC)
Let me just add my voice to the chorus of YEA! and Congrats :)
Kirinkirinn on December 3rd, 2004 01:31 pm (UTC)
Woo, job.

And yeah, along siumilar lines as what Tikva said, any software that people pay for is by definition useful to someone, so one can at least imagine someone will be appreciating what you do, assuming you do it well. In other words, write better code than M$ (shouldn't be hard), and some poor user somewhere will be bowing down to you, if only in spirit. ;)

Hmm, I should mail Matt next time I'm at a computer where I have his address handy.
Kevinbellwethr on December 3rd, 2004 01:55 pm (UTC)
Congrats! Here's to a regular paycheck!
Steuardsteuard on December 3rd, 2004 03:44 pm (UTC)

It's good to hear that you've got something lined up! And in Long Beach, too... that's where Kim's mother lives, as you may recall; it's always seemed like a decent place.

As for the broader value of your work, I think you'll find that it's there. Look at it this way: all over the country, there are talented people who are stuck wasting much of their time mucking about with those documents and regulations. If you do your job well, lots of those people will be able to spend more time actually contributing to society. That's a substantial net plus, even if it's indirect. (And I guess a direct effect is the positive impact on those people's quality of life as you relieve them from some of the drudgery of their jobs.)

Ok, so it's a bit of a silly argument, I'll agree. But hey, I'm a string theorist, and there's a non-trivial chance that my work will never be useful for anything. That means I get a lot of practice digging deep for indirect societal value in my work. : )

DonAithnendonaithnen on December 5th, 2004 10:24 am (UTC)
Re: Congratulations!
*blinks* Hello! How long have you had an LJ, and how long have you had me friended? I know i updated my list a week or two ago, so the friend part at least must have been since then :)

So does Kim know what the best way to get there is? Mapquest suggested 10-W to 605-S to 105-W to 710-S to 405-S, but i've been wondering if there's any other way that might be less congested during rush hour.

That's funny, personally i would count you as one of the people i know who's actually doing something usefull :) It's certainlu possible that what you're working on won't be usefull for any practical applications within our lifetime, but who knows what they might be doing with it in a few hundred years. And even if that's not the case you've still advancing the general set of human knowledge, which makes a lot of geeky people happy :)
Steuardsteuard on December 5th, 2004 01:39 pm (UTC)
Re: Congratulations!
(Hi...Kim speaking this time.)

First of all, I'm not sure where exactly you live, but the 210 to the 605 will be better than the 10 to the 605. I would probably take the 605-S all the way to the 91-W rather than the 105. The 710-S is a major pain during rush hour, so travelling on it for the shortest distance possible is best.

So, I would suggest 210-W to 605-S to 91-W to 710-S to 405-S. If the 710 is particularly nasty, you can ditch off an exit early at Del Amo Blvd. and take it E to Long Beach Blvd.

If you're really fed up with freeways and the 91 is crawling, you could ditch off at pretty much any exit on the 91 along there. Go south to Del Amo and then West to Long Beach. Might not be faster than the freeway since there are stoplights, but I know it's nice to get out of the traffic after awhile and feel like you're making some progress. I could give you sneaky faster alternates through this part of town if you'd like since I grew up there.

Actually, I should talk to Amber. She's been in the Claremont area for the past 6 years and her parents live around the corner from your new job (that's where our bachelor/bachelorette party was held). I'll see if she has any suggestions for the final bit to avoid the 710 more easily. She should at least have some good time estimates for you.

)if you'd like more details over email, drop Steuard a line if you can't find my email address)
Steuardsteuard on December 5th, 2004 02:01 pm (UTC)
Re: Congratulations!

(And this is Steuard again.)

I created my account over Thanksgiving break, and I probably added you to my friends list either late in the weekend or during the week sometime (I'm still figuring out everyone's secret identities). As I mention on my user info page, I'm unlikely to spend a lot of time posting here, but I was finally convinced that an LJ friends page could be a useful clearinghouse for keeping track of the ebb and flow of friends' lives.

As for my "potentially not useful" comments, the big question is whether string theory will live up to the enormous hopes and expectations that people have of it. Even if it turns out to be "true", there's an active community of string theorists exploring the possibility that it will never be able to predict or explain the specific features of our universe (or rather, in their view, of our corner of the universe). I could say more about that at some point... but maybe that's a subject for a blog post or website essay of its own.

I'm glad to have found you here, anyway!

academicerrificmerchimerch on December 3rd, 2004 07:30 pm (UTC)
hey congrats - I know its not a game company, but it looks like a decent workplace.

wonderful news!!
Leora: ouroborosleora on December 3rd, 2004 10:21 pm (UTC)
Congrats :)

As long as we have red tape, better ways to navigate it can help a great deal. It really does, people just don't notice unless they're involved in the process. Organization makes a huge difference in efficiency.

Also - working regular hours and paid overtime is great. I hate the way so many companies take advantage of their employees to make them work insanely long hours for no benefit. It's not good for your health to do that. This place seems decent.
rahvina on December 4th, 2004 03:01 am (UTC)
Congratulations on new job! As many others have said, since business controls so much in this country, keeping things running smoothly can only help us poor saps in the long run :) And anything that makes paperwork easier for me is a good thing :)

Sorry about the commute, but maybe with the new salary and such, you can find somewhere to live that's a bit easier to drive to? And Long Beach would put you a bit closer to LA, which might make clubbing and such easier too :)
DonAithnendonaithnen on December 5th, 2004 10:50 am (UTC)
True, clubbing would be easier from a more Long Beach-centric area. However i have to stay here for at least a few months until i've saved up enough money to move, and moving is a real pain, so i'll probably put it off longer than that :)
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