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12 November 2004 @ 01:53 am
Geek Quiz type thing  
snagged this from kallah


1. Star Trek or Star Wars?

Probably Star Wars. They both started sucking later on, but early Star Wars is more re-watchable than early Star Trek.

2. Galaxy Quest or Spaceballs?

Galaxy Quest. Despite what i said above, the Star Trek parody is better than the Star Wars parody :)

3. Robert Jordan or Terry Brooks?

Ack! Do i have to choose? I guess Rovert Jordan. I got through five or six of his books before giving up in disgust. I was tired of Terry Brooks after just one.

4. Harry Potter or His Dark Material?

I've read one or two of the His Dark Materials books, and wasn't really super impresed, so i guess i'd have to give Harry Potter a slight edge.

5. Shadowrun or Cyberpunk?

Shadowrun. Magic + tech is always cool.

6. Neil Gaiman or Alan Moore?

Who's Alan Moore again? Gonna have to go with Neil Gaiman.

7. Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams?

Sadly i've never been as fond of Douglas Adams as a good geek is supposed to be. I thought his books were interesting and i know the most popular quotes, but i don't really obsess about him the way some people do. However what Terry Pratchet i've read so far has been pretty unimpressive, so Douglas Adams still wins.

8. Princess Bride or The Quest for the Holy Grail?

I like Princess Bride better. However you can watch the Holy Grail more frequently cause it's really just a bunch of jokes strung together.

9. Neon Genesis Evangelion or Serial Experiments Lain?

Hmmmm. Evangelion got fucked up at the end. Lain pretty much started out fucked up. I should rewatch Lain again (any volunteers to watch it with me?) but for the moment i'd say Evangelion.

10. George RR Martin or Steven Erikson?

I have no idea who Steven Erikson is. However George RR Martin rocks, so it doesn't matter :)

11. Slayers or Trigun?

I've seen very little Slayers, but i've seen no Trigun, so Slayers.

12. Card Captor Sakura or Sailor Moon?

Utena. Or Rayearth.

Well if i have to pick one of those choices then, um.... not really seen much of either. Sailor Moon i guess.

13. Babylon 5 or Farscape?

or _Farscape_? What the hell?

B5 all the way!

14. Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke?

I have the Spirited Away DVD, but i haven't watched it yet. Besides, i got to see Mononoke Hima on opening day in Japan, so i just have to pick that :)

15. Naruto or Hunter X Hunter?

I've seen an episode of Naruto and have no idea what Hunter X Hunter is, so Naruto.

16. Akira or Ghost in the Shell?

I wasn't that impressed with Akira, so Ghost in the Shell.

17. Alien or Terminator?

Hmmm, tough one. I guess Terminator.

18. Blade Runner or Brazil?

Blade Runner kicks ass! Brazil was okay, but it was no Blade Runner :)

19. Avalon or eXistenZ?

what or what?

20. Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Angel?

Buffy.

21. Love Hina or Video Girl Ai?

Haven't seen either. I've read a little of the Video Girl Ai manga and i have a Love Hina DVD that i haven't watched yet. That wasn't really and answer nor was it inteded to be one.

22. Spike or Gerald Tarrant?

Okay, i'm ashamed to admit that i thought Gerald Tarrant sounded familar, but i had to google him before i remembered where he was from =P

The Coldfire trilogy isn't my favorite of her workse, but still, C.S. Friedman! Woot!

But WTF? As long as we're talking about vampires what about C.S. Friedman's even more kickass vampire character?

DAETRIN!!!

Stupid test writers.

23. Blade or D?

D as in Vampire Hunter? Geez, it's been so long since i've seen that that i think i'm going to need to go with Blade, but i'd be happy to reconsider later after refreshing my memory.

24. Apple or Linux?

Linux

25. Java or C?

C? As in just C? Definitely C++ over either of them. Not sure about Java vs. vanilla C.

26. Wolfenstein or Doom?

Eh, Doom i guess.

27. Escaflowne or Patlabor?

Escaflowne! I haven't actually seen any Patlabor, but it doesn't matter, Escaflowne is that cool :)

28. Pocky or Ramune?

I love Pocky and have no idea what Ramune is. So guess :)

29. XHTML or PHP?

Don't know either unfortunatly. Yes, i'm a bad programmer.

30. Pixar or Dreamworks?

Pixar. Shrek was cool, but that Shark Tale thing looked atrocious. The Incredibles was cooler, and the worst thing Pixar has ever done was probaly A Bug's Life.

31. Ramen or Hot Pockets?

Cup of Noodles! Kind of Ramen's cousin i guess :)

32. Jolt or Mountain Dew?

Never had Jolt, so Mountain Dew.

33. Red Hat or Mandrake?

I think i check email on a Red Hat system, but i don't remember for sure :)

34. Bit Torrent or IRC?

What the hell? That's not even apples or oranges, that's apples or round orange rocks. IRC. I like talking to people more than i like downloading files, especially with my crappy connection. IM or IRC would have been better,

35. DDR on soft or hard pad?

Does hard mean in the arcade? Or do they actually sell hard pads to use at home? I like the arcade better than at home (other than the cost of course) so i guess hard.

36. MegaTokyo or 8 Bit Theater?

MegaTokyo has a better story, but it's a pain to load on a modem connection. 8 Bit Theater sometimes is really funny and sometimes is just stupid, but it loads quicker, so it wins i guess.

37. All Your base or Trogdor?

Eh, Trogdor.

38. Gravitation or Fake?

Which? I guess gravitation since i like sticking to the planet? :)

39. Yoko Kanno or Kenji Kawai?

No clue who those people are, sorry.

40. Spiderman or X-Men?

The characters? The comics? The movies? Hey, you misspelled Spider-Man :) The Spider-Man movie was slightly better, but i always liked the X-Men characters better. Growing up watching "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends" gave me the impression at the time that Spider-Man ended up with the short and crappy end of the superhero powers stick.

41. Bram Stoker's Dracula or Interview with a Vampire, book or movie version?

Read neither, and haven't seen Interview with a Vampire. I think i've seen parts of one version of Bram Stoker's Dracula, so that i guess.

42. Xbox or Playstation2?

What the fucking hell? What fucking moron wrote this test?

GAMECUBE!!!!!!

43. Dune or Hyperion?

Dune. Hyperion always seemed really overrated to me. Dune was only moderatly overrated :)

44. The Authority or Planetary?

The what or who? I'm going to say The Authority, not cause i know what it is, but because the name reminds me of Vernor Vinge's "The Peace Authority" :)

45. Lucifer or Hellblazer?

Characters from a comic or something i'm guessing? Um, Hellboy? :)

46. Clive Barker or Tim Powers?

Not read the first and not heard of the second.

47. Bruce Sterling or William Gibson?

Haven't read much of either of them. I've read a couple Gibson books but thought he was highly overrated. Read one or two Bruce Sterling books, but don't remember much about them.

Um, Vernor Vinge :)

48. Lord of the Rings or Conan?

Is this a joke? =P

49. The Maker of Universes or The Nine Princes of Amber?

Woot! Amber! Don't know what the other is and it doesn't matter :)

50. Boba Fett or Han Solo?

Han Solo

51. D&D or White Wolf?

White Wold. Werewolves are cool :)

52. Amber the Diceless RPG or Nobilis?

I've never played the first and have no clue what the second is.

53. Call of Kthulhu or Paranoia?

Heard of both, played neither, but Paranoia sounds really cool :)

54. GURPS or Rolemaster?

Eh, i've got one of the GURPS sourcebooks somewhere. One of the many RPGs i bought/thought looked cool but never got to play with anyone.

55. Weiss Kreuz or Saiyuki?

Isn't Weiss Kreuz the anime series that Akiko likes? Saiyuki sounds familiar, but i don't know what it is. Haven't seen either.

56. Batman or Superman?

Batman

57. Crouching Tiger..Dragon or Once upon a time in China?

I've only seen Crouching Tiger.

58. Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever or Earthsea?

You mean would i rather gargle sulfuric acid or have a glass of water? Earthsea, definitely.

59. Weis & Hickman or Salvatore?

Eh. Both shlocky, but Salvatore seemed to have more delusions of grandeur, so Weis & Hickman.

60. Dead or Alive or Soul Calibur?

*shrugs* Soul Calibur i guess, since it had Link.

61. Zelda or Final Fantasy?

Heh, despite my last answer, Final Fantasy. Although both series have been going seriously downhill lately.

62. Ranma 1/2 or City Hunter?

Ranma 1/2. Not seen any City Hunter.

63. ICQ or AIM?

AIM

64. Fruit Basket or Please Save my Earth?

Heh, what an odd choice. Fruit Basket i guess.

65. Anita Blake or Buffy Summers?

Eh. Anita Blake i guess, if you count the first five or so books and not the last several.

66. Ender's Game or Use of Weapons?

I've not read (nor heard of) Use of Weapons, so Ender's Game.

67. Newtype or Animerica?

Not seen Newtype, so Animerica i guess.

68. Honor Harrington or Miles Vorkosigan?

So far i've managed to avoid both of them.

69. Full Metal Panic or Full Metal Alchemist?

Not seen either.

70. Greg Bear or David Brin?

Ohhh. Ummm. Hmmm. Blood Music and Moving Mars were definitely good, but i think David Brin has the edge. Although i was upset with where he went in the second Uplift series.

71. Ninja Scroll or Rurouni Kenshin?

Kenshin, easily. Ninja Scroll was disturbing.

72. Brave New World or 1984?

I'm a bad bad bad bad geek. I've read neither of them :)

From what i do know i think i'd say 1984.

73. Pern or Darkover?

I've read one or two of the Darkover books, i _think_ i started near the begining, but they're very badly documented. It seemed pretty bland and mediocre to me. Pern turned into total crap eventually, but it started pretty good, at least if you first read them as a teen :)

74. Bleach or Shaman King?

No idea what those are.

75. Transformers or Robotech?

Transformers! Of course i never got to see much of Robotech, which is probably an influencing factor :)

76. Excel Saga or Elf Princess Rane?

I haven't seen Elf Princess Rane, and Excel Saga is cool :)

77. The Martian Chronicles or Stranger in a Strange Land?

Both highly overrated. I liked Heinlein in general a lot more than Bradbury though, at least as long as you stick to the jouvenile Heinlein.

78. Ninja or Pirates?

Ninja-pirates!

79. The Ring or The Sixth Sense?

eep!!! *hides*

*peeks out* The Sixth Sense. It had a better plot and was less scary. And how did they know to pick two of the few horror movies that i've actually seen? *goes back to hiding*

80. Shounen or Shoujo?

Both?

81. The Twilight Zone or Doctor Who?

I haven't tried watching much Doctor Who, but what little i've seen hasn't made me want to try watching more. The Twilight Zone.

82. The Crow or Edward Scissorhands?

The Crow

83. Tanith Lee or Barbra Hambly?

Barbara Hambly

84. Luis Royo or Boris Vallejo?

Micheal Whelan

85. Tokyo Babylon or Tokyo Godfathers?

Haven't watched one, don't know what the other is.

86. Hellsing or Witch Hunter Robin?

Seen neither.

87. The Avengers or Charlie's Angels?

Mu?

How about Undercover Blues or Without a Clue?

88. Mercedes Lackey or Jennifer Robinson?

Mercedes Lackey

89. Inu Yasha or Fushigi Yugi Fushigi?

Haven't seen Fushigi, so Inu Yasha.

90. Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat?

Street Figher

91. Resident Evil or Silent Hill?

Blah

92. Dwarves or Elves?

Elves. They have more diverse characetristics than dwarves. It's a lot easier to avoid ripping off Tolkien with Elves than with Dwarves.

93. Elric or Fafhrd and the Grey Mouse?

Familiar with both, read neither, couldn't care less.

94. Starship Troopers or Pitch Black?

This is a question? Pitch Black! The Starship Troopers movie was a pile of crap.

95. Metal Gear or Splinter Cell?

Metal Gear

96. Age of Mythology or Warcraft III?

Not played either, but i'd be more interested in Age of Mythology

97. Everquest or Dark Age of Camelot?

Eh. Not played either and not particularly interested in trying. If you put a gun to my head i'd probably pick DaoC though.

98. Jet Le or Twelve Monkeys?

An actor or a movie? *confused*

99. Cowboy Bebop or Gundum?

Bebop!

100. Shining or 2001: A Space Odyssey?

Not seen Shining, don't really intend to. 2001.

101. Magic Knights Rayearth or Revolutionary Girl Utena?

Hmmm. I think i enjoyed Rayearth more, but Utena is more re-watchable. Not sure if that's really an answer :)

102. Simpsons or Futurama?

Futurama!

103. Dark Angel or Stargate SG-1?

Okay, reaching a bit with that one, but it's hard to match SF shows.

Dark Angel has the cuter girl. Stargate SG-1 has the geekier girl :) I think Stargate SG-1, partly because i've seen a lot more of it.

104. Firefly or any other SF show that isn't B5?

Firefly! :)

105. Civilization 3 vs. Alpha Centauri

Alpha Centauri! Civ3 had lots of cool stuff, but it didn't have an interesting story, cool quotes/voice acting, and wonder movies :)

106. S.M. Stirling or Harry Turtledove?

The Guns of the South was cool, but Harry Turtledove got old really fast. S.M. Stirling.

107. Issac Asimov or Arthur C. Clarke?

Arthur C. Clarke. The foundation and robot novels didn't appeal to me that much.

108. Robin Hobb or Jane Lindskold

Ooohh, tough one. Lindskold is more versatile, but Hobb does better series. Robin Hobb i think.

109. Kate Elliot or Sara Douglass

Hmmmmm, hard to say without having finished either of their main series (through no fault of my own of course =) but i think Kate Elliot.

110. Jacqueline Carey or Laurell K. Hamilton?

Haven't gotten very far into Carey's series yet so i can't say.

111. Naomi Kritzer or Joanne Bertin

Probably Joanne Bertin, but just cause her first book had a good romance :)

112. Samus Aran or Lara Croft

Samus! :)

113. James Alan Gardner or Steven Brust

They've both got the same way of inserting a lot of wry humor into a serious story without ruining it, and they've both got very well built universes. Personally though i think James Alan Gardner does a little better job of it. Plus it seems harder to find well thought out SF than Fantasy these days.
 
 
 
Kirinkirinn on November 12th, 2004 04:51 am (UTC)
Re: who is Alan Moore?

ALan Moore is a comics genius. ;) His title's you're most likely to have heard of include "League of Extraordinary Gentlement" (he had nothing to do with the movie of course; read the two collections if you haven't) and "Watchmen".

I consider Niel Gaiman, Alan Moore, and Warren Ellis ("Planetary", "Transmetropolitan") to be the holy trinity of kick-ass British comics/epics/heroes/mythology, and would hate to have to choose between them.
Kirinkirinn on November 12th, 2004 05:43 am (UTC)
More comments, now that I've read the whole (godawfully long) thing...

5: I thought Shadowrun was a specific system and Cyberpunk was a genre? Confused.
9: Lain over Eva, mainly because Eva degerates into a psychiatric couch visit for Hideaki Anno.
11: Trigun over Slayers. Slayers has a few good bits near the beginning, but soon ends up being all about Naga's boobs. :P 'course, I haven't watched Trigun to the end, but it's generally good stuff.
12: Good answer. ^_-
21: Video Girl Ai way over Love Hina. I have no idea why they're comparing these two, but Hina is generally crap-on-a-stick, and I like the VGAi manga.
23: D over Blade, just for the silly reason that he was originally designed by Yoshitaka Amano. ;) (This is one of the few comparisons that actually makes good sense, though, since they're both half-vampires fighting vampires. I think.)
24: (Apple or Linux) Can't we just have both over MS? ;P
27: Escaflowne and Patlabor _both_ are good, and are not really comparable. Big robots in fantasy vs. big robots in modern day, only Patlabor really a totally character-driven show anyway.
28: Ramune is a soft dirnk. It's ok, but I guess I'd go with Pocky too. At least if I get Men's Pocky or Mousse Pocky.
34: (BitTorrent vs. IRC) I agree, this makes no sense unless you use IRC for files instead of chat, which I don't either. BT is great for what it does, though.
35: Yes, you can buy a hard pad for home use, if you want to spend a bunch of money...
38: Gravitation and Fake are both yaoi mangas/animes. You'd have to ask akiko which is better. ;) No, wait, I know she'd say Fake, Gravi kind of annoys her.
39: Yoko Kanno and Kenji Kawai are both anime composers. Both have done great stuff, but the edge goes to Kanno who has done tons of *really great* stuff. (Bebop, Escaflowne, etc.)
42: Heh. I'm afraid I still have to go with PS2 over either XB or GC, not just because of Square stuff but also the great weird niche things it's started getting lately like Katamari Damacy and Gitaroo Man. I do love me some 1st-party Nintendo games, of course, but sadly it's not enough for the edge.
44: The Authority and Planetary are both comics, I think both Warren Ellis. Both good. Not sure which I'd pick between them.
45: Lucifer and Hellblazer are also both comics. Lucifer is a spin-off from the Sandman stories, not by Gaiman but still very good. I here Helllazer is good too, but I haven't read it - it's about John Constantine, who shows up in Sandman, but was originally created by Alan Moore. See how these three people keep cropping up? ^_-
48: Yeah, I dunno what they were thinking either. (LotR vs Conan)
55: Weiss and Saiyuki are both total fluff featuring pretty boys out hunting bad guys. Akiko was indeed into Weiss fandom, but even she admits the show is crap. :)
59: (Weis & Hickman or Salvatore) who or who?
60: Soul Calibur II is an excellent game. Dead or Alive, uh, has boobies or something.

(Crap, comment too long, gotta split it up...)
Kirinkirinn on November 12th, 2004 05:44 am (UTC)
(continuing previous comment)

67: Newtype is big and shiny, Animerica actually has coherent writing. Given the subject matter, I think that makes it a toss-up.
68: Akiko would want you to read about Miles (by Bujold). She wants everybody to read Bujold. ;)
69: Full Metal Panic and Full Metal Alchemist are, I think, both recent shounen beat-em-up whatever.
71: Yeah, Kenshin over Ninja Scroll, because Kenshin has some quite good bits even if the TV series does succumb to "this series has been on the air way too long and is out of sane ideas" syndrome eventually.
74: I'm pretty sure Bleach and Shaman King are *also* recent disposable shounen fighting series.
75: Transformers over Robotech, but if you go back to the *original* sources, Macross over Transformers. ^_^
84: Good answer. :)
85: Geh. These have nothing in common except half the title. Tokyo Babylon is an old Clamp series with modern-day supernatural powers that feeds into the X/1999 saga later. Tokyo Godfathers is a Satoshi Kon movie about vagrants and family and other odd stuff.
86: Witch Hunter Robin way over Hellsing. Hellsing is violent vampire shlock. Robin has a cute female lead with glasses. ;) And the first few epsidoes are pretty good anyway... haven't seen the rest.
98: I don't get it either.
99: This is yet another apples/oranges, really...
108-111: I'm obviously a terrible SF/Fantasy geek, as I don't know who *any* of these people are.
112: Agreed, Samus by miles over Lara.
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 12th, 2004 09:48 am (UTC)
Everything after 100 was obviously me wandering around my apartment trying to find things that match :) I tried to pick things/people as good as possible within the context of trying to make them similar, so i'd recomend all the authors for at least a few of their books. Most of them however are fairly new authors, so anyone who hasn't been going through the shelves of a bookstore in the past few years is probably scratching their heads.

Harry Turtledove: Does alternate histories. Lots of alternate histories. Usually about a famous war. Alternate civil war. Alternate world war II. Alternate world war I. Another alternate world war II. Some other alternate war. Yet another alternate world war II. One of the WWII was alternate because aliens invaded, one was the outgrowth of the alternate WWI, and one was WWII transposed to a fantasy world, so he mixes things up a bit, but still.

S.M. Stirling: He does kind of alternate histories with a twist, and writes a _lot_ better than Turtledove. Nantucket getting sent back in time to the brone age (the best one so far.) A comet/asteroid hitting the earth in the 1800 and wiping out most of north america and europe. Unaltered modern-day but with a portal machine that gives access to an America that was never discovered by europeans.

Robin Hobb: She does fantasy. The Assasin's triology is good if you like assasins and wolves and intrigue and don't mind the characters being quite stupid at time and the series overall being somewhat depressing. The Liveship Traders is her best trilogy in my opinion though.

Jane Lindskold: She was Zelazny's SO for a while. After he died she finished up his last two books and although i haven't had the chance to read any of her earlier stuff i've been told that her own books have improved markedly after the fact. She's done a couple books about immortals (as in greek gods and magical creatures) living in modern times, and a fantasy series about a girl who was rasied by sentient wolves.

Kate Elliot: She started out in SF and then did a fantasy series which she's still writing. I liked Jaran (her SF series) but it wasn't great. Crown of Stars (her fantasy series of course) is even better though. The series isn't quite finished though after five books, but so far it doesn't seem to be bogging down in a Jordanesque hell.

Sara Douglass: She got her start in Australia and must have done fairly well over there. They're now releasing her books in america slowly. Not quite as slowly as if she was writing them again, but still enough to be annoying. She's got two fantasy series coming out now, at least one of which is finished in Australia i think. (And may be finished here by this point, since it's been awhile since i've had the spare cash to buy lots of books)

(crap, now i need to split comments :)
Sister Atom Bomb of Courteous Debateakiko on November 12th, 2004 04:23 pm (UTC)
I read the Peshawar Lancers at a recommendation on a Plastic thread and enjoyed it. Then I picked up Conquistador. It's rather slow going, and sometimes his writing style makes me want to hurl (it reminds me of annoying fanfic.) It's so fucking *meta* -- the male lead and female lead swap a list of SF authors they've read, and the male lead enjoys reading alternate universe stories. (Granted, part of the slowness is due to life overwhelming me and cutting all my reading time.)

Read Bujold. She's way better than Misty Lackey.

Lucifer is teh hawt. Hmm, maybe I'll do this silly meme...
DonAithnendonaithnen on November 12th, 2004 09:49 am (UTC)
Laurell K. Hamilton: She started out with cool SF/Fantasy/Mystery novels about a vampire hunter/animator in an urban fantasy setting, the Anita Blake that was mentioned earlier in the quiz. She raises zombies by day (well, night really,) usually for lawyers who need testimony for legal cases, and moonlights (or daylights, or more of on-call really) as a consultant for the St. Louis police as an expert on the supernatural and acts as a vampire hunter if any of them are involved in a homicide. The series started out with lots of mystery and plot and a little eroticism. The first four or five or so were verygood, but after that they became more and more about eroticism and less about good plots/mysteries. Her faerie series is still good, possibly because she stuck a better balance between the two elements from the begining, or possibly becuase she just hasn't gotten too far in the series yet.

Jacqueline Carey: Another SF/fantasy writer who mixes in eroticism. She has more elaborate and thought out plots though. Her first series is set in a kind of alternate medieval france, and has strong elements of BDSM.

Naomi Kritzer and Joanne Bertin i included in an attempt to promote a couple of very new authors: :)

Naomi Krizer: She writes fantasy novels, the first two of which involve an alternate judaic/early christian religion in some kind of alternate-Europe. She also gets silly bonus points because we went to school with her sister :)

Joanne Bertin: ANother fantasy author. Her first two books involve were-dragons, which are just cool :)

Steven Brust: He's most famous for his Taltos fantasy series (and it's spin-offs) which is strange (but good) and has several SF elements thrown in. There's both magic and psychic powers, although magic is treated as more aof a technology. Humans are second-class citizens to elf-like beings who were apparently genetically engineered by some ancient race. Lots of satire and sarcasm and he has no problem with inserting deadpan humor in grim situations. Which is why a choose him to alternate with...

James Alan Gardner: One of my very favorite authors. Everything he's written has been set in the the same universe, but it's a really good universe so that's okay. There are a lot of _much_ older and _much_ more powerful races than humans around, but they don't care much about the younger races as long as they remain "civilized" to each other. Ie anyone who intentionall kill or tries to kill, or even just has the intent to kill, a sentient creature is executed as soon as they reach interstellar space by means. They just drop dead for no apparent reason, a la Clarke's 3rd law. This doesn't mean of course that everyone is nice to each other, they just have to be sneakier about being bastards to each other :) He is also very good at finding humor in just about any situation. The first book is about an "Explorer" on a Terran spaceship. Explorers are profesional red-shirts who go down to check out unexplored planets or any other nasty situation, and everyone unofficialy refers to them as "Expendable Crew Members." Later on he wrote the funniest book in which (at least) half the protagonists get violently killed that i've ever read.

Okay, that's more than you probably wanted to know about all the authors :)
Pretentious Asshole®no_brakes23 on November 12th, 2004 03:30 pm (UTC)
Megan Lindholm
If you dig Robin Hobbs, you might want to check out:

Wizard of the Pigeons by Megan Lindholm, (Hobbs' earlier pseudonym.)

It was an "Urban Fantasy" written before DeLint "invented" the genre.

More info here:
http://www.lostbooks.org/reviews/1998-07-22-1.html